i found the clan forum were theyre talking about him...

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Lmao.

I would laugh at any player emotionally insecure enough to kill themselves because they dont have a life. In no way is the guy who hacked his account to blame for his death.

I agree that the local authorities and especially his school should have helped him out of his situation. Teachers should be able to see that this kid was having a tough time!

even though, i still blame any hacker 

>I would laugh at any player emotionally insecure enough to kill themselves because they dont have a life

What are you 9 years old? Grow up and stop trying to follow spammers like Owl and his attention seeking cold blooded attitude. Laughing at people who have been pushed to the verge of suicide because their lives have been tormented by school bullying and other bad things that they never even asked for is obnoxious. Stop trying to be obnoxious and shut up.

These types of children need guidance and help. When the world rejects these kids especially at such a tender age these kids may be at risk at seeing their lives crash down on them. Some people are mentally stronger than others. What the world needs is less idiots who torment the weaker members of humanity. 

You're just as bad as those who tormented him to his death. GG a$$hole.

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I played RuneScape before. I never met that kid Maarten online but I will give my sincere condolences to him and his family anyways.

Rest in Peace Maarten. 

awww poor kid. may he rest in peace. and bow and arrow, thnx for saying something to suit about his arrogance on this topic. 

Hang on a second, you people are ridiculing me for my opinion because some selfish kid decided to kill not only himself, but everyone who has ever loved him?

Why? 

Because someone decided to hack his runescape account!

And please, dont ever say that i am copying owl. I have been around for a  of a lot longer than that idiot. You quite clearly do not know who I am.

Suit.

point blank, someone shuldve helped this kid and his problems, and even tho it seems odd that someone hacked into his profile, but life was being real harsh on this kid. may he rest in peace and i hope his family will cope and let out the pain that this suicide has caused.:(

How can you blame anyone else but the kid for his killing 

himself

?

Why didnt the kid ask for help? You dont know who tried to help this kid. You dont know anything. 

trust me, suicide victims try to make themselves heard, but with life all bustling by, nobody stops to listen. all im saying is that kids suicide was sad. thats all!

HOW CAN YOU BE SO SELFISH AS TO THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR OWN LIFE? 

HOW CAN YOU PUT ALL YOUR LOVED ONES THROUGH SHEER HÉLL JUST BECAUSE YOUR INTERNET DOES HAVE SECURITY PRE-INSTALLED? HOW CAN YOU SIT THERE IN YOUR IGNORANCE AND SAY THAT THE PERSON WHO KILLED THEMSELVES ISNT AT FAULT. FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD HE WAS BULLIED. SO WHAT? HOW CAN THAT EVER, EVER JUSTIFY WHAT HE DID.


Bloodywatergirl, from where you are how dare you blame the others around him, who for all we know were probably trying to help him.

interesting story, just shows what can happen with these things, i think its slightly extreme blaming t on getting hacked, it was most probably other things that pushed him to it,    is there any confirmation on this story too?????

yes this is true(the story that is)

>>>FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD HE WAS BULLIED. SO WHAT? HOW CAN THAT EVER, EVER JUSTIFY WHAT HE DID.

A bit naive now are you? FACT, repeated exposure to a hostile environment that results in persistent stress can very often leads to suicide. That is a statistical 

FACT

, not conjecture. Let me give you an example, in the UK an average of 16 children commit suicide each year to escape constant harassment and bullying. Researchers say in each of these cases, such bullying was never stopped nor was it dealt with by school officials. 

In fact according to the UK government, the suicide rate amongst male youths has doubled in the last decade or so. France, Japan and many other nations also have very high suicide rates due to constant bullying in schools, work environments, etc.

http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/suicide.htm

Here is yet another source that confirms that bullying plays a major role in instigating suicide amongst youths. This source is from the Globe and Mail (A source that is much much more credible than you, by the way):

http://fact.on.ca/news/news0011/gm001127.htm

Ahh and how about this next source below. It talks about the suicide of a young girl named Tempest Smith, who had taken her own life because she couldn't endure the stresses of bullying. The source below also reports that an estimated 2000 + students (19 years or younger) commit suicide each year within many parts of the U.S.

This disturbing fact was documented by the U.S. Centers For Disease Control and Prevention. From 1998 and beyond, the suicide rate continues to increase. According to health officials (yes that's right - experts, unlike you) confirm that bullying is one of the major consistent factors in driving a troubled child to commit suicide. 

In addition, another child named Jean Vasquez has been found to attempt commit suicide, although she had failed in both attempts. She says that schooly bullying by her classmates almost pushed her to the brink. In her own words she says, 

"If you're a little different, some kids can make your life an absolute h-ell."

 

In fact, many schools have been sued by families because they failed miserably in overseeing and stopping the bullying activities that run rampant in their classrooms and complex.

http://suicideandmentalhealthassociationinternational.org/teasetaunt.html

Below is a source from the London Free Press which addresses a case of suicide at the hands of persistent bullying. It talks about one Joshua Melo taking his own life on a Friday. His father told the schools that such bullying activities should be stopped or more children will end up killing themselves to escape the constant harassment:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/12/03/763183.html

Well look at this -- 

http://thedailystar.net/2003/08/03/d30803011314.htm

 (source is Daily Star) -- in August 2003, an 18-year old woman named Umme Habiba Rumi took her own life in Bangladesh because she was found to be a constant victim to bullying. This time, the perpetrators were not from the school but rather, were her neighbours and her brothers. She was deeply traumatized by their taunts and harassments that she could no longer endure it, so she took her life to escape said horror.

In addition, bullying is not just rampant in schools, but also in the workplace as well. For instance, an adult woman named Marlene Braun (she was a manager at the U.S. Federal Agency called the Bureau of Land Management) had commited suicide. 

Reports say that she took her own life because she was the constant target of ridicule and bullying that went on in her workplace. It was a case of an abusive work environment. Her tormentor was found to be her boss, Ron Huntsinger. Source -- 

http://www.bullyinginstitute.org/braun/marlenebraun.html

 

Still standing? Still think that you can defend your conjecture? Concede now, it would save you the embarassment of looking stupid in this thread. Here is yet another source that confirms that bullying is a serious threat to someone's life. 

This source -- 

http://www.bullyingawarenessnetwork.ca/site.php?page=news#Tragedy%20in%20Spain

 -- finds that a boy in Spain had killed himself because he was severely traumatized by a bullying incident in which he was the central target of. He was the constant target of humiliation and this played a huge role in driving him to take his own life. 

Furthermore the American Medical Association (APA) also confirms that bullying is a serious threat to mental health problems that often lead to suicide (statistical fact). Again, the American Medical Association has confirmed this fact.

Please do the research first before giving an opinion in which you cannot even backup with substantial documented evidence. It will save you the embarassment of looking stupid. If you have not researched this stuff, you should really learn to listen to someone who does. 

Hate to break it out to you Suit, but you got this one wrong. I would actually respect you more if you stopped trying to defend yourself because you clearly have no clue as to what you are posting in this thread. Also, please quit using caps, it would make your posts more appealing to read, not that your points have any trace of credibility to them anyways.

Still not convinced? Still not ready to concede your weak conjecture to undebatable FACTS? Keep reading. Below is yet another source that confirms such a disturbing fact as well. It states that suicide is 

"generally considered to be the second or third most common cause of death among adolescents, even though it is seriously underreported."

 

Oh by the way, those statements were made by Dr. Richard O' Connor (He is a PH.D, how about you Suit?). Professional research finds that bullying often creates a traumatic which in turn, drive people to take their own lives. 

Source: 

http://www.focusas.com/Suicide.html

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Great! the gospel according to Justin macintyre.


Justin, you can quite clearly do more with your life. Are you glued to your keyboard?

What Justin said ^^^^^

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Forgot to mention, to the kid Maarten , rest in peace. My condolences.

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R.I.P and all that, but I've got to say, if having his game account hacked pushed him over the edge as it were, it's a tad pathetic. 

Indeed? Very droll.

 And Justin I see that you think I dont know what I am talking about.

Let me tell you a heart warming story.

 About 9 months ago now I found out an old friend who went to my secondary school for two years took half a bottles worth of paracetamol in an attempt to "end his suffering". He was in a coma-like state for over two months, I saw what it did to his family, and how close he came. I also know how much I hated him for doing what he could so incredibly percieve as doing the 'right thing'.

You all know exactly what happened to this dutch guy do you? Any of you? No, probably not. And you may not want to hear this Justin but how can percentages and "?/10 deaths are caused by" ever tell you what actually happened? Your precious mathmatical calculations mean nothing in the real world. You may want to pay it a visit, as you are quite cleary a self-rightous, pompous smart-árse.

Peace love and empathy,
Suits You Sir.

>>Forgot to mention, to the kid Maarten , rest in peace. My condolences.

Speaks for itself, does it not? You care more about proving points with paragraphs or total twat.

If your needing some support , Suit . I'm always here to help you.

Dont let justins bullying get to you. 

;)

Thanks, pushed me back from the edge man.

Thanks for the post justin. i m sick and tired of self-righteous douche bags like virus trying to respond to every post with childish remarks

>Great! the gospel according to Justin macintyre.

pffffffff You sir are complete idiot. Justin isnt posting BS like you. He's using credible sources from experts and investigators who track all the bullying cases. he isn't posting bs like you. stop whining already.

>if having his game account hacked pushed him over the edge as it were, it's a tad pathetic. 

what you think its because of a game account? It's most likely more than that. There are other factors that pushed him over the edge. If you think it's only because of that you need to read up on what leads to suicide. this was the point justin is trying make.

he used several sources to expose the causes and effects of harassment. suicide is a result of harassment. read up.

>Hang on a second, you people are ridiculing me for my opinion because some selfish kid decided to kill not only himself, but everyone who has ever loved him?

Stop the melodramatic bull$hit. you're whining about people ridiculing you but at the same time cant figure out why they ridicule you. its obvious, you're an insensitive tard. Educate yourself instead of whining about not knowing anything about the content of your own BS posts.

Quite frankly, I dont give a tóss about the biggest words you could think of to insult me. I dont know what the 12 year olds on this website perceive as morally wrong, right ar whatever. We should all have opinions. 

Mine, simply, is that suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can commit, and to hold those around him (the real victims) responsible for this persons death s wrong (e.g. "those around him should have helped him" and the like). How do we know that they didnt try? We dont. But we sure as héll cant prove it with Justins  facts, non-conjecture, averages, figures.

But yes, lets all feel sorry for the one person putting his loved ones through sheer héll. Idiots.

Your car gets stolen... you call your insurance company.

You lose your wallet... you cancel your cards and trace back your last steps.

You get mugged... you call the police.

Your girlfriend leaves... you find another one.

You have your game account hacked... you call admin.

I'm sorry, but what Virus is saying is true to a certain extent. The fact that his account was hacked was not the real reason for this apparent suicide - this kid obviously had other issues. Sure it's sad, not because some random kid died but because people are often allowed to get into unstable situations. I would imagine that someone, most likely a parent or some other figure who should have been watching out for him, has a part to play in this. I certainly wouldn't let a 14 year old immerse his life in gaming and forum spamming.

melodramatic?

Informing you all of the sad reality? Yeah right. And generalising everything I say as "BS" simply because it doesnt agree with you, seems more childish to me.

>I'm sorry, but what Virus is saying is true to a certain extent. The fact that his account was hacked was not the real reason for this apparent suicide - this kid obviously had other issues.

You mean Justin is right not Virus. Justin pointed out that bullying is a complicated contributor to suicides. Justin pointed out with sources that it was more than likely a case of trauma and bullying rather than just the game account hacking thing.

Virus is being an idiot who is trying to climb his way out of an discussion he can't win and has already lost. Deal with it.

>Informing you all of the sad reality? Yeah right. And generalising everything I say as "BS" simply because it doesnt agree with you, seems more childish to me.


oh great more moronic tendencies....you never quit do you? the one who is informing everybody here of the sad reality is Justin and his brillaint post that has sources coming from experts.

You on the otherhand are just plain sad. shut up.

1st of all as a person who knows the story I will have to speak. He had many other things going on in real life things that would push alot of ppl to the end the account being hacked was just the tipping point. In hindsight he should have asked for help in hindsight but that does no good now a  younge live has been lost can we just remember that no matter what the cause.

Virus im sick your arrogance and your denial to read up on facts thay justin posted. strange that bepe defends you when justin provided unquestionable sources that address the real culprit, bullying.

it's not the account hacking that did it. it is the bullying. 

it wasnt even bullying bow and arrow it was other personal things in his life.

Interesting. You think this is a competition?

I dont care what you think killed him. Fact: He killed himself. That is not conjecture, but fact. Debts dont kill you. Losing your girlfiend doesnt kill you. Verbal abuse doesnt kill you. You hang yourself with a rope. Fact.

And you think that by saying thinks like "err yeah bs man your an idiot" wins anything? 

Virus was initially suggesting that this kid did not kill himself "

because someone hacked his game account

". It probably would be laughable if someone was that sad - theoretically, as it does NOT happen. Virus didn't say anything wrong in his initial post, I think he has got you fighting about something different to what you think the argument is about.

How many times do I have to spell it out to you half-wits?

I dont care what you think killed him. 

I dont care what you think killed him. 

I dont care what you think killed him. 

I dont care what you think killed him. 

I dont care what you think killed him. 

I dont care what you think killed him.

>>>

I think he has got you fighting about something different to what you think the argument is about.

Read Bow and Arrow! Read it! It is 

you

 who has failed to read 

my

 posts properly. Cretin.

virus i think u are acting like a total child this kid didint take his life just over a game im sure he was harassed at school and getting made fun of just cause some kid was pushed to the limit with idiot kids like u gives you no right to call him pathetic your no better than the kids that harassed him same with u peter i would expect a adult to act his own age you have no idea what his friends and family were going through may he rest in peace

-BATALLION-

>Virus was initially suggesting that this kid did not kill himself "because someone hacked his game account". It probably would be laughable if someone was that sad - theoretically, as it does NOT happen. Virus didn't say anything wrong in his initial post, I think he has got you fighting about something different to what you think the argument is about.

Nah m8 you're being biased strangely odd actually that you would do this. Your defending an loser like virus, who laughs at a child's death because he has had a hard time in life. Read Virus post and you defend him for his insensitivity?
>Lmao.

I would laugh at any player emotionally insecure enough to kill themselves because they dont have a life

You stand up for this beppe? disgusting. 

"you have no idea what his friends and family were going through".

Exactly, and who caused all of this? The very person ho you and everybody else wants to rest in peace.

>It probably would be laughable if someone was that sad - theoretically, as it does NOT happen. 

So you admit beppe that you too would laugh at this? it says a lot about your character now. 

it isnt a funny topic and iam finding it slightly offensive i play the game and have seen him play and know the story from the start. A person died here ppl and should be given some sort of respect.

>Lmao.

That was a post as I thought the thread was some kind of a joke, I mean because he hacked his runescape account? 

Yes, that, I admit was very wrong. This situation is in no way funny.

>It probably would be laughable if someone was that sad - theoretically, as it does NOT happen. 

So you admit beppe that you too would laugh at this? it says a lot about your character now.

 

Re-read the post idiot. That is exactly what he isnt saying.

>Re-read the post idiot. That is exactly what he isnt saying.

No that is not what he is saying. he said it is laughable if the kid had killed himself if his account was hacked. Even if this was the case, and it is not, it is still not laughable. I lost respect for beppe's insensitivity if this were the case.

It's strangely odd that he would defend you. Any sane person would see the idiocy in your insenstive posts.

>Yes, that, I admit was very wrong. This situation is in no way funny.

yes since that was your initial post, it even makes more strange that beppe would come ine here and defend you blatant stupidity. 

Remember, I am no sane person. 

And please, holding onto precious brain power this time, that Beppe was using the term "laughable" out of context.

e.g. when you get angy at a friend and say "i'll kill you" as a throw away line, do you mean that you will actually kill them? usually no.

Justin ty for the post i knew there was probably more to it than the hacked account. 

>Remember, I am no sane person. 

that's why you need to STFU next time. 

angry* wireless keyboard.

>And please, holding onto precious brain power this time, that Beppe was using the term "laughable" out of context.

No actually it probably wasnt taken out of context, since he stood up for you ,and you clearly admitted that you were lauging at the kid "LMAO" as you initiialy posted. 

I need to 'STFU'? No, sorry. I have a right to voice whatever opinions I hold. I genuinly believe my opinion, everybody else strongly disagrees. Ergo I cannot be sane.

why are you guys argueing who cares why he killed himself it is a tragic event and something all of us as gamers should remember. If we see warning signs in someone to report it to someone.

Okay cretin, read this:

I would laugh at any player emotionally insecure enough to kill themselves because they dont have a life. In no way is the guy who hacked his account to blame for his death.

Then this:

Virus was initially suggesting that this kid did not kill himself "because someone hacked his game account". It probably would be laughable if someone was that sad - theoretically, as it does NOT happen. 

Bepp, is not, in any way, laughing at the persons death. He is  suggesting how ridiculous it would be if someone were to 'hypothetically' kill themselves over a hacked account, which is why it cannot be the real reason he commited suicide. Thats is the whole point he is trying to make!

>>>why are you guys argueing who cares why he killed himself it is a tragic event and something all of us as gamers should remember. If we see warning signs in someone to report it to someone.

Well said m8. This is indeed a good post in my opinion. Obviously there was more going on in which we are all not aware of. Bullying is a big factor, but it may not have been the only factor.

As someone stated earlier, he may have been deeply depressed by many negative circumstances in his personal life. There needs to be warning signs that must be addressed so that such tragedies can be avoided in the future.

Further reading on the warnings of suicidal intent:

http://www.healthyplace.com/communities/depression/children_10.asp

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I was then under the impression that the thread may be some kind of joke, as surely nobody would be so stupid as to commit suicide over a hacked account. 

Beppe was the only one to pick up on this, developed a post which was then wrongly interpreted by a bunch a imbiciles who are intellectually outstripped by melons.

>Beppe was the only one to pick up on this, developed a post which was then wrongly interpreted by a bunch a imbiciles who are intellectually outstripped by melons.


No he wasnt the only to pick up on this. We all knew that you didnt mean the "Hacked account" was the only reason. We read your post. We are annoyed by your arrogance to laugh at the kid. You admitted you were wrong to to do this. 

*sparse applause*

Look, Beppe was not backing up my obviously purile argument, he just didnt want to re-post something that was already said. Dont destroy his reputation with your tom-foolery.

Heh not only did he admit he was wrong, but strangely enough beppe came to defend him even though Virus admitted that his initial post was wrong.

>Dont destroy his reputation with your tom-foolery.

Reputation? Is that what is most important to you? Beppe's reputation? Strange.

I just think its stupid to let someone like Beppe go through a meat grinder just because you are all too stupid to understand him. 

Oh, and 

I did not admit I was wrong

, only wrong with hindsight. As I did not know back then the real circumstances of his death.

what seems to be missing here is an actual knowledge of the events which i have. I think people should read or understand something before passing judgement.

I just think its stupid to let someone like Beppe go through a meat grinder just because you are all too stupid to understand him.

 

All? You mean me too? We are all too stupid to understand Beppe? So you're saying that Beppe is too smart for all of us now? You must really love the guy.

Ignorant feck-wits...

I am going to bed. Take care everybody.

But here is a short bit of wisdom you will all hopefully implement in your post creating:

"Look not at the last post posted and comment, but at all the posts posted and comment".

>Ignorant feck-wits...

I am going to bed. Take care everybody.


Yeah goodnight Beppe. You'll need it. 

Lmao @ n00b. You are making yourself look stupid.

Reputation? Is that what is most important to you? Beppe's reputation? Strange.

Maybe that explains why "Virus" is going psycho on us all. He caught me off guard with that statement. 

>Lmao @ n00b. You are making yourself look stupid.

Back for more now I see. Thought you were going to bed. Apparently you've proven that you can't back up what you say. 

The above link is for the benefit of Bow and arrow.

And all you n00bs who put my name in speech marks dont even know who I am? Dont try and act superior.

"Dont go to bed angry"

Know I wont :)

Cheer m'dears.

>Lmao @ n00b. You are making yourself look stupid.

Being new to a forum has nothing to do with a person's intellect. You have been here longer than me but you seem to be a lot more idiotic than the "noobs". 

Go bed idiot 15h u r on ffs.

Indeed? You judge me from one thread? Clever thing to do.

"Go bed idiot 15h u r on ffs."

Your english teacher must be so proud.

Toodles!

>Dont try and act superior.

You for example, can start by not trying to insult others with your childish ramblings.

Oh gdawg, man. Let me explain...

It probably would be laughable if someone was that sad - theoretically, as it does NOT happen.

>So you admit beppe that you too would laugh at this? it says a lot about your character now. 

The original post in this thread suggested that the 

ONLY

 reason the boy killed himself was because of his friend hacking his account. As you have learnt from subsequent posts - especially Justin's - this is not the case. What Virus is saying - and what I am backing up - is also that the original post is wrong.

Virus quite rightly identified that people do not kill themselves 

just because their account was hacked

. Such a scenario is so unlikely it moves away from serious conversation into comedy. Neither myself nor Virus has laughed at the actual circumstances of this story, nor have we indicated that we would laugh at any reasonable situation where someone has killed themselves.

In essence gdawg, you have learned nothing about the characters of myself or Virus from this thread. What we are laughing at is a comical unreality, like you might get in a TV comedy. You are not going to write a complaint when Kenny gets it in South Park are you?

One last point... why am I backing up Virus? I am not discriminitive, and he hasn't done anything wrong. You and others have misunderstood him, so I am trying to help clarify that for you. If you STILL don't get it NOW, then I have learned more about your intelligence than you have learned about my character.

LOL. Pick and mix insults is it?

And I have decided to stay up a bit, Im having to much fun to miss out on.

Above post aimed at Bow and arrowless.

as i posted a few times on this thread he didnt kill himself just because of the game and i know this first hand. Maybe people should reserve judgement until they know all the facts instead of jumping to conclusions.

No Beppe, you are ignoring the point most people here are trying to make. We KNOW that it is not about a hacked account that led to his suicide. WE KNOW THIS.

We are simply irritated by the fact that Virus has initially laughed at this kid's demise. He stated "LMAO".
We in FoD don't condone such insensitivity. Yet you have taken our points out of context by saying that we think it is all about a hacked account. 

>And I have decided to stay up a bit, Im having to much fun to miss out on.

Good stay up and continue to get your A$$ handed to you. The problem with you and Beppe is that you don't know how to admit that you are wrong. You cannot admit that your points are sometimes wrong. This is why I often emphasize the fact that Beppe is an arrogant self-righteous member. 

gDawg,

"I wrong with hindsight. As I did not know back then the real circumstances of his death."

How many times do I have to say this for half-wits like you to understand?

Because he cannot fathom the possivility that he has decided to side with you even though you have been later found to be totally lacking credibility. 

>How many times do I have to say this for half-wits like you to understand?

Must you always resort to childish rants? Is that your only way of backing up your arguments in this thread? Weak.

Trust me, you cannot hand my áss to me, it takes somebody of intelligence, and wit to do that. your 'impressive-IQ-level-for-a-glass-of-water level just doesnt cut it. 

This is just going to sound childish, however;

You are all idiots who hasnt understood a word of anything myself and Beppe have said.

 

Yes, blunt, unsubtle, but true.

>Neither myself nor Virus has laughed at the actual circumstances of this story, nor have we indicated that we would laugh at any reasonable situation where someone has killed themselves.


Beppe, I know that you are not the kind to laugh at this. For that I maintain respect for you. HOWEVER this was not the case for Virus. His initial post was irritating and many did not like what he initially posted.

many did not like what he initially posted.

LOL. Nobody did. Im amazed nobody did hand my áss to me. 

Oh no! I have lost respect from some flyordie n00bs. Im hurt, and can never return to these forums ever again out of pure 100% shame.

Hang on, you n00bs actually think I care about your respect. I am having the time of my life!