Ever thought of using overhead view before you shoot ?

Use backspin or side so you don't doublekiss. Obviously watch out so you pot the white. :p

Cheers,
Jamez. :)

You can still use front spin or no spin, but just when white is further from rail.

Object ball*

I'm talking about when the ball is tight on the cushion,when you play a double,even with backspin you get a doublekiss,it's a pain in the hole for me cos I always get my angles right

",it's a pain in the hole for me cos I always get my angles right"

then play a shot before to dislodge it off the rail if you're so good :p

'then play a shot before to dislodge it off the rail if you're so good'


what if I'm not on a break,It's a black ball finish?

Then use your knowledge of the angles to play a different shot.

Exactly Beppe, Gorilla why not play a safety shot, or even just tap onto the black, sometimes the defensive option can be the most positive.

because this is supposed to be snooker;not billiards

And safetys in snooker are very popular.

Take a final with the black on the rail, it's hardly likely that a double would be tried (of course sometimes it would) the player would be more likely to get object ball as far away and safe from the white as possible, hoping for the other player to make a mistake.

snooker is supposed to reward knowledge of angles,just because one-dimensional players like yourselves have a vested interest in this matter,doesn't mean the way can't be opened for superior all round players like myself to play to our full potential.

and if you understand the angles correctly you can leave the black on one cushion and the white on the other.

I understand where you are coming from but i think safety play is a major part of the game too.

And yes you may be superior i'm only a yellow ball at the moment, but maybe thinking other than attacking may benefit some shots you play.

I agree with you that safety play is a major part of the game,but it is difficult shots like the doubles that seperates the average from the great

>Exactly Beppe, Gorilla why not play a safety shot, or even just tap onto the black, sometimes the defensive option can be the most positive.

I'd argue that a tap onto the black is a negative shot.

It depends, speaking as a lower ranked player, a tap on the black often makes the other player just whack it as hard as they can often leaving the black ball in a pottable position.

And i've often found the problem with doubles is that if they aren't perfect you can often find yourself leaving the ball int he jaws of the pocket.

I'd agree,also,I don't see why anyone would be arguing with me about this,the inability to play a double clearly detracts from the game.

*I agree with tazz;not chris:)

I'm not arguing as such just debating lol

I just rather play the safety option.
Maybe it's just i'm more of a safety player rather than attacking.

I guess it depends on the way you play the game.

 If you want to be something more than a lower ranked player,you should really try to be more positive.
 You've no chance of scoring any points if you don't play any pots,statistically an opponent who plays wild long pots and is a good breakbuilder will pot more balls than an opponent who never takes any risks but is also a good breakbuilder
And a good player should be able to play the shot to nothing and leave the white on the cushion.

I value your tips.

I do play shots to nothing, expecially at the begining of a frame.
I think it would be harder for me to change the style of my play rather than continuing to improve how i prefer to play and which i am better at.

Don't get me wrong i don't play every shot safetly lol
I do have an attacking side, just in this scenario i would play the safer option :) maybe it's my downfall but it works fine for me at the moment.

But wouldn't you agree that ocassionally,say the the cue ball and the object ball were at the one end of the table,right at the very end,the cueball over one pocket,theobject ball two or three inches higher than the object ball over the other,in that situation the percentage shot is the double,the safety would be much more risky,if hit with the right pace the object ball,even if it didn't go in, would finish safe and the cueball would finish on the baulk line.that's the kind of situation in which it is a pain in the hole not to be able to play a double.

Yes of course, in certain circumstances i agree the double may be the better option.
But given a 50/50 split between the two i would choose safety.

And yes i understand what you say about the double kiss.
If the object ball is away fromt he cushion then i would do the double, especially when ahead by a number of points.

yessssss
then wouldn't you have to agree that the doubles glitch has to be fixed,this game should be as close to reality as possible,the option of playing the double should,as in real life,be left to the disgression of the player.

There are some flaws. And i'm actually going to bring a topic up about another one of them.

Yes gorilla i was not debating about the bug being fixed just the overall use of the double.
Good job on providing a nice fair debate though :D

I agree with all of you 

But is someone saying that the game is not the same as playing snooker in real life?


 

WHY DID YOU WASTE MY TIME THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DO U OR DO U NOT AGREE THAT THE DOUBLES GLITCH SHOULD BE REPAIRED?

Short answer.

Yes.


don't get me wrong it's a great game and i love it.
but there are unrealistic aspects. Obviously a game can't be perfect and they do the best they can.

i didnt see chris's post when i posted mine

Yes if it makes the game overall more realistic.

THANKYOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SWEET MOTHER OF JAYSUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess that means you are relieved.

Sorry if i got you wound up i was just interested int he debate we were having about the double shot :)h

Sure the glitch should be sorted, BUT Chris is also right... if you are as good as you say you are, then you wouldn't NEED to play the double. These shots are RARELY played in the pro game, so if you want to compare like for like then you don't really have an argument anyway. As clever git says, it's a computer game and not the real thing.

>I'd argue that a tap onto the black is a negative shot.
Absolutely, I hate players doing this.

Yes Beppe,but the option should be available,we should all be able to play to our strengths.

The whole debate is pointless because if gorilla was as good as he said he is, he would be able to play the double. I've seen loads of players do it.

You've obwiously missed the entire point of this topic Hari Kiri,I'm talking about the glitch in the game which prevents you playing a double.The glitch effects everyone,regardless of skill.

I'm saying, of all the years I've played here, I have never noticed this glitch.

It doesn't seem like a glich, but on a real table you can usually play a double without a double kiss. The game doesn't feel right because most of the time it will do that. It makes some end to end safeties difficult as well.

THANKYOU!!!!!!!!
now do you not think thatthis takes away from the game?
that the game would be better if this were fixed?

I never said that there wasn't a problem, just that if you are so good then you could work around it.

I dont even know what glitch your talking about...doubles are fine for me and always have been

Same to me.

As I said.

In the world snooker championship,when the table was playing crap and people were getting kicks all over the place,did they accept it,did they play around it?No,because they're game relies on skill and so should ours.

(PS,before anyone replies that this isn't the world championships,pls don't waste my time with pointless arguements).

When you hit some doubles on FoD the white double kisses the object ball, sending it off at the wrong angle. A TINY amount of backspin corrects this, and players like Hara and co will just apply it to the shot because they know to do it. On a real table you can hit the white in the center on similar shots and it doesn't double kiss. EITHER FoD has it wrong OR when we play the shot on a real table we are applying some spin without realising it. Like Gorilla, I think it is FoD, and like Hara, I apply spin.

I also apply spin,however when it's a very tight angle you get a doublekiss anyway.

When it is a very tight angle it will do it in real life.

it does what?

double kiss

you never get a double kiss in real life,never,unless the angle is less than exactly the angle you play off the cushion(* is pocket)(O=snooker ball)(ignore the '='s)
           _____________________________________
                  ======            O
           =====                  /=:\
           ====                 /==:=\
           ===                /===:==\
           ==               /====:===\ 
           =              /=====:====\
                      *=25deg:25deg =O
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it is possible to play a wider double and avoid the double kiss
           _____________________________________
               ======               O
           =====                 /=:\
           ====                /==:=\
           ===             /===:= \
           ==            /====:==  \
           =         /===== :===   \
                    *=40deg    :25deg=O
           -------------------------------------


the only situation in which you would get a doublekiss is when the angle is less than that of the angle between the cueball and the object ball,(the ball leaves the cushion at the same angle as it it is played into the cushion),between the vertical line bisecting the triangle

           _____________________________________

           ======                 O

           =====                 |=:==\

           ====                |= :=== \

           ===                |== :=====  \

           ==                |=== :======    \

           =               | ====  :=======   \
                        *15deg===: ==25degO

           -------------------------------------

When I was talking about tight angled shots beppe I didn't mean impossible shots.

You couldn't do a 5deg/5deg shot.

you could if you hit it with backspin,which you said could not be played in real life

Don't be an idiot gorilla, you started the topic about playing the shot WITHOUT spin.

I did but your argument was that the plain ball-doublekiss glitch didn't mnatter bcos the doublekiss could be overcome with backspin

You were boring before, now you are being an uber-bore. 

I'm not sure those angles above are right.

(the harder you hit the shot, and you will need to hit it hard, the further the ball goes into the cusion and the more spin changes the angle, much more on american pool tables)

Even if they are, pro's hardly ever play those shots in real life because the chances of double kiss are big.

The shot is just that tough

if you hit the cueball in the middle you none of those things should happen,as long as the ball is hit with stun the angle is not altered,beppe,you were wrong,get over it,I am better than you.

byt eh way,pro's with a good head for angles play this shot all the time:steve davis,mark williams,alan mcmanus,dennis taylor.

*the

>as long as the ball is hit with stun the angle is not altered,beppe,you were wrong

How can I be wrong when I never said that? You're a weirdo mate.

lmao

you know that feeling when a topic drags on and on...

Ok chris was there a need for that last reply? your just another kid trying to catch up to Beppe in the posts duel lmao :|

just like i coudl say what was the need of your reply

but that's just a pointless cycle

Half of the bloody forum is full of pointless posts, about time there was a forum mod;\.

(Yes I know, this reply is a pointless post:p)

>I'm not sure those angles above are right.

>(the harder you hit the shot, and you will need to hit >it hard, the further the ball goes into the cusion and >the more spin changes the angle, much more on american >pool tables)

>Even if they are, pro's hardly ever play those shots in >real life because the chances of double kiss are big.

>The shot is just that tough


I wasn't saying that you said that,I was replying to clever git,however you were still wrong.

there's a bandwagon leaving in a minute chris,maybe you'd like to jumo on.

do you feel threatened by my prescense or something everytime i say one word you immediately jump on me ...

you're an ar**licker and I don't like a*s*lickers

*yawn*

Why is this topic still going on doubles can be played properly, end of...

to be honest i have no idea maybe it should be locked 

if either of you knew anything about snooker or had played it in real life you'd know that doubles 

can't

 be played properly

gorilla said: ....cueball over one pocket,the object ball two or three inches higher than the object ball ...


this is the perfect position for a double and i do it everytime, if you cant do it then you are clearly not as good as you think you are. 

who said it was impossible....only you

go to the practice room until you get it right

well said :p

I meant a cross double ass*ole

me thinks you are a little ape, and in a state of denial.
why cant you accept that we understand your point and are able to do that which you percieve as impossible?

do not follow this with another post saying i am so misunderstood and alone, although you probably are alone, but not misunderstood

oh and dont call people ###hole just because you feel inferior and are insecure about your abilities, i was quite polite in my post and merely trying to instill confidence in you that your problem is conquerable.

chill out monkey boy

I wanted to prove either way if he was right or not, so I practiced a few shots off the cushion (rail) on a standard size snooker table yesterday. 

HE'S RIGHT, FLY OR DIE GETS THIS WRONG.

You all know that shot, with the object ball on the rail and the cue ball at an angle - hit with top spin, and the advancing white pushes the object ball down the rail to the pocket? You can't do that on a real table, because the laws of physics state that for every reaction there is an opposite rection. Therefore when the cue ball strikes the ball on the rail, it's forced back a little, even if you put copious amounts of top spin on the ball. The same applies when playing doubles, the cue ball will clear itself on all but the tightest angles on a real table, but on FoD it sticks and increases the chance of a double kiss. The reason using backspin on doubles in the game works is that is makes the shot closer to how it would behave on a real table.

The only way I could simulate FoD collision rules is to hold the cue ball and force it to stay at the point of collision (thus absorbing the opposite reaction with my arm). Both the double kiss problem and the possibility to pot the ball down the rail worked using this method.

At least two of us got it right ;)

Back from my ban! and able to agree that I too noticed the flaw for the first time the other day. I'm not exactly bothered about it though, and this topic is going on waaaaay to long.

I agree hara,i think's people forget this is a internet game,wake up you fool's.

"this topic is going on waaaaay to long"

said that 5 days ago yet here we still are :D

>I'm saying, of all the years I've played here, I have never noticed this glitch.

It's still going on for two reasons. Firstly, some people do not believe that there is a glitch, and second I only just worked out what the glitch is. Sure it's just game, but one of the reasons why it is popular is because of the realism. If the developers had taken that attitude from the start, then you might not have the game as it is today.

i for1 say who cares lol snooker is snooker at the end last ball black person with most points wins anyway unless u got like 4 points behind them but anyway who cares player with highest score wins

now we've established I'm right,could you allstop arguing with me and help me convince flyordie to fix this!?!

I'm sure they have read this post. They might do something about it, they might not. The matter is out of our hands now we can't convince them to fix a minor unrealistic part of the game. We can only bring it to their attention and express concerns if people have any.

Regards

Chris

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the picture above shows a double being succesfully completed, is this not what you are on about? i can do many other angles of this type, i dont see the problem?