1 person claims he disconnected, but moderators are able to verify this easily...and in this case, there was NO disconnection.

As to whether or not they cheated....that is a subjective thing, and since i was not actually present i cannot comment on it, and neither can any other moderator except the one who was there at the time.

"I would like something to be done about this, Me nor Triggy are in the wrong and Nextball did not resovle the situation in an appropiate matter.

An interesting theory, considering the fact you did not initially do what is required in these situations and instead logged in multiple nicknames to either complain on the forum with, or to complain directly to nextball with. You know the correct procedures, and we did eventually an email regarding this incident. 

As far as the moderators are concerned, this issue is closed (at least on the forums), and will not be further discussed here.

Unfortunately StreamLine there is no clear definition in the rules of use about what happens if you're in the situation of having someone else give you a free win when it's beyond the person's control. :p

Take these rules for example:

2.4 intentionally loosing in favour of your opponent 
2.5 accepting your opponent's behaviour who is intentionally loosing

2.4 is pretty much "does exactly what it says on the tin".

2.5 is pretty vague though. If I'm playing someone who decides to give me a free win without my acceptance then how exactly does this rule come into force? As I said in my above example, anyone can claim they disconnected from a game, ask for a rematch and then leave again. Would this result in the player who had 2 wins given to them being punished even though they had 

no idea

 of the intentions of the opposing player. Any player can 

intentionally

 lose, whether or not the other player is involved.

>i can confirm that there was in fact no disconnection in the 2 games mentioned, and that one person simply returned to the lobby.

>and in my opinion theres a difference between disconnection and retirement

Surely such an incident would need to be looked at from the perspective of someone who had no idea that the opposing player 

didn't

 disconnect. If a player can get banned for someone else giving them just two free wins (Back to the above example, it's entirely plausable to believe someone who says they disconnected) then frankly I'm quite socked at the way FOD has implemented such a rule, even to the extent that I may think twice before being sportsmanlike and replaying someone who claims they disconnected.

yh but something like a disconnection might not always be detected by the system.  And though i'm 90% sure nextball is right, i'm not 100% because he didn't say definitively, "someone clicked the resign button", or something like that.  He just said he knew, but didn't say how he knew.

i dont mean to be knit-picky but these kinds of details would put all dispute to rest and the complainers would have nothing to say

I only have this to say :p

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how can you be so sure someone didn't disconnect?

Because moderators can see how a game is ended, like he's already said!

how can you prove that both the players are cheating?
What if one of them just leaves the game, without approval of the other player? How can you be so sure to ban them both?

I echo this question.

why if you look through Perpetual Motion's recent games, do I have 2 losses to his other nick Lewis.

Now having said that, if you're saying you've lost twice against his other name, which if it's higher rated, makes it more clear why you were banned.

Chances are nextball is right, but how can you be so sure someone didn't disconnect?

did they click lobby or click give up, or run out of time, or none of the above?

Yes Nameless I think ur right! We need to hear something from "Moderators".

hm...hm...some reflections from my side. I hear moderators talking about "playing fair" and "cheating" like they are the Saviours of FoD.
Everyone seems to forget that the use of a program (the ultimate cheating action in my eyes)
is tolerated by FoD, so how can any moderator or operator look itself in the mirror after banning someone for a given win...? 
I'd like to hear some reaction from a moderator on that one.

Regarding the "giving a win" thing. Maybe you moderators can indeed check how a game ended, but the question is: how can you prove that both the players are cheating?
What if one of them just leaves the game, without approval of the other player? How can you be so sure to ban them both?
Yet again I'd like to hear some reaction from a moderator.

As a general question, can I ask what the rule is in relation to someone leaving a game on purpose? I have played various games in which a person would exit into the lobby for no apparent reason, which in theory would look like they are "giving the win".

I've also been in situations where, after someone has left the current game, they tell me they were disconnected and ask for a rematch. Now, I like to be courteous to anyone I play so I would naturally give them a rematch, but let's assume they had lied and exited on purpose, only to exit the rematch game again so as to "frame" the person they were challenging. Would this be considered punishable? If so it's quite easy to make it look like someone accepted 2 free wins. (Of course if it's seen that a win has been given away 10 times in a row then that's a different scenario, but surely there has to be some kind of cut off point?)

Yoo All! Well.. I dont know what to say about that! I know Sean And Lewis. Both of them are great people! Never abuse anyone and never cry. Always play fair.. I dont know Nextball good enough,so I can't say anything about him. And Nextball.. How do you know they were cheating?? I disconnect every tenth game.. So that means, I cheat so often.. Well Hope Everything will be Good Soon...
             Your Sincerely
                  John

I am not "crying" Nextball, I am simply saying that the actions taken were not just.
I was told that he disconnected, if he said he disconnected then by all means he did.
The simple fact of the matter is that he did not give points to me through the means of "unsportsmanlike conduct." 
If you say infact he did give me points, why if you look through Perpetual Motion's recent games, do I have 2 losses to his other nick Lewis.
The point of the matter is we we're infact playing by the rules and regualtions rather then being subject to "unsportsmanlike conduct"

Your email was received regarding the ban on ŤяĬgĢў.

However, you have somewhat compounded the situation by repeatedly logging back in with other names whilst your query is being dealt with, resulting in them all being banned.

So...on the one hand you are querying a ban, and on the other you are blatantly breaking the rules anyway

As to the "disconnected"...i can confirm that there was in fact no disconnection in the 2 games mentioned, and that one person simply returned to the lobby.

Until the Original ban query is dealt with i suggest you stop logging in more names. They will simply be banned (like the other 5 or 6 that you have lost so far)

#1
it is 

clearly proven

 that there was cheating and it was punished according to the FlyOrDie rules. its a fact!

#2
i explained this issue in detail to the player - although he was on ban evasion (see below). but when this conversation got somewhat unobjective i didnt see any reason to continue...

#3
if you got punished and want an explanation (even if you know best what you did wrong) - follow the rules of FlyOrDie and dont log in with another nick, because you will be banned for ban evasion. Send your question by using the moderator contact form. Ban evasion also includes using this forum....

#4
telling lies by claiming to have lost due to a disconnection just makes it worse -  because we can see why and how a game was finished. and in my opinion theres a difference between disconnection and retirement. if you play fair and follow the rules you never will have to fear any punishment - if not, dont cry after you got caught!

So whats the problem now?

nextball

>Are you able to become a moderator with such thing on your file?

I'm not really sure myself. In the application form it does require you to disclose whether or not you have been banned/demerited/booted. There is a section that allows you to 'explain' such instances - what that means though can only be guessed - For example it might be the case that 

they

 (whoever they is exactly, presumably OPERATOR, moderators and other FOD staff) may consider your application if you received 1 demerit 4 years ago or if such a punishment was reversed.

If you've been permanentely banned though, I'm pretty certain your moderator application will be rejected (Unless of course it gets reversed) :)

Thank you for that Chris.

I guess I will just have to wait it out.
It is really irritating that Dancing On Glass has a perm ban that is my biggest concern as I use that account in various leagues and am known by many people under it.
Also the fact that I have had a ban under both nicks means I cannot go in system tournaments or when I turn the sutible age, become a moderator myself (which I was considering.)
Are you able to become a moderator with such thing on your file?
I would really just like this cleared up ASAP.

And Paralyzed, yes Triggy is Lewis :D

I know who Triggy is if it's still Lewis, as far as I know he isn't abusive or does he care about points but haven't spoken to him in ages, it's a bit harsh if you've been banned for gaining points on your first game, nearly everyone does it.

> we did email support before we got on other nicks. It was Nextball who infact read these reports.

I have no idea if emails to support are available to moderators, but even if Nextball (and any other moderator for that example) could read the email, they couldn't 'delete it' in a way which would 'cover up' some wrong doing. If you sent it to support it will be read by people who have the authority to look at the situation and take suitable action.

>Both always abuses others and crys when lose 

Whether or not Dancing On Glass does abuse people is not the issue here. If he has been banned for a reason that is not justified then it's expected that the person in question can appeal, regardless of whether or not the person has an argumentative/troublemaking persona.

As Jason rightly said, the only way you can appeal is to email support and wait. It's not the easiest thing to do, and the majority would feel angry enough to locate a moderator and ask questions/post on the forum (I've been in exactly the same situation albeit different reasons)

I find it hard to believe that a moderator can ban someone because the person they were playing has left on their own accord. It's happened to me plenty of times - people saying "I have to go sorry, have the win". If such a scenario is punishable, I would be very concerned with the moderation system ;)
 
And lastly I would emphasise that this is by no means a post that necessarily disagrees with Nextball's decision. With respect, what you have said in this forum post may not be everything that Nextball knows (and other details you may have kept quiet for that matter) :)

no i didnt mistaken ;\

MY.Mother.. You must be mistaken for someone else.. I don't abuse people I am always nice... You can ask almost everyone in the WDW league.

Thank you Jason, we did email support before we got on other nicks. It was Nextball who infact read these reports.

We only signed in on other nicks because of that fact.
I thank you for that quick reply though.

I know you and that triggy ;) Both always abuses others and crys when lose ;) and u say u got 3 days temp jst make another nick  :|

>Now after that I leave and comeback to find that I have a temporary ban for 3 days on Perpetual Motion.
>Triggy also had a temp ban and a perm ban on another of his accounts. When Triggy confronted Nextball, Nextball said that he didn't disconnect and that he gave me points.
>After much arguing it resulted in Nextball beng immature and perm demming our alter account rather then trying to hear us out

suggestion... if nextball didn't believe you, i'd guess arguing your case in front of the mod wouldn't be your best option.  you said so yourself... "after much arguing".  maybe at that point, email support and describe the situation, asking for a reversal.  however, now that you've ban-evaded and argued with a mod, i'd say your chances of having it reversed are much slimmer.  good luck.

--jason