Billiardatron
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Here's a question
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A quick reminder regarding the rules
Player_No1, oh yeah? And how many programmers have you personally banned from the games in your time as a moderator... without counting that obvious one up there with a nickname "Program", who completely exposes himself? Like real cheaters who play smart and hide themselves well. 

First of all, you can't really monitor anything properly, because everyone knows you're a moderator, and your nickname is visible when you spectate a game. So everyone who's cheating and doesn't want to get caught can very easily adjust his game style, when they see you, or other moderators in the room watching.

Second of all, just spectating a game is not enough to really notice the foul play of a cheater, if they know how to hide themselves well. You need a first person point of view, like the video i posted to see the oddities, and you need to observe the player for many games, not a few to reach a conclusion.
 
I already explained why the gameplay i shared looks unnatural, i gave you my reasons... Can you give me a logical explanation to why my statement is wrong? Something better than "well, there are players who play here for 20 years".

I know there are old players here, but that's not the point. I've seen how a good player plays... A good player simply doesn't act and plays like the video above. A good player doesn't make 10 readjustments every single shot, even on the easy ones, like he's seeing something (lines) that we don't see in the video. A good player evaluates his position on the table, and knows how he wants to play the shot without the need of multiple tweaks.

And then let's add this to the topic... this website has been accused of bias for years, there are corrupt moderators here, who punish players who did nothing wrong out of sheer spite, while protecting others and their buddies who are breaking the rules constantly. I'm not making this stuff up, look what's been written about FoD in other forums and sites. Some of this stuff i've been personally a witness of. Other things, i can't say if they're true or false, but i certainly have my suspicions.

One thing i can tell for sure is, that there's not enough proper, unbiased moderation in the game rooms. How come the game is nearly dead (snooker and 8-ball are nearly, the other pool games are already dead and buried) barely able to fill one room, yet every single day we see newly registered players who reach 800 rating withing 1-2 days? Do the moderators take action about it? No! You just sit there and watch the rules being broken if front your eyes and do nothing. Are you going to tell me that all these new players (cheaters) have a personal permission from the moderation team to register new and multiple nicknames, whenever they feel like it? 

So for you to tell the people, that the mods are doing a great job in monitoring the game, and expect people to take your word for it, and discount me and other people who complain about the state of FoD... it's just ain't gonna happen. You gotta do better than that.


@Marshmello, listen, if you don't understand what i criticize in the video, please, don't spill your nonsense here, would you?

I didn't say you're not allowed to aim your shots, or to play fast... as long as you play natural. The video above doesn't show natural play. There's a clear aim assistance there that is not caught by the video recording program.

If you're a good player, you would not make so much small adjustments like you're suffering from neurosis or something... if you're good, you will know exactly how to play the shots. A real player will apply his aim, add spin and maybe, but not always, make a small readjustment to the aim after the spin is added. Doing multiple readjustments of the spin and the aim (repeatedly) before every shot, and doing it so fast, suggests unnatural play, maybe with an aim assistance, for the following reasons:

The player aims the shot, the aim assist line points to the pocket. He adds spin, the line changes and goes out of the pocket, he readjusts the aim again, but now he's not happy with the cue ball trajectory, so he readjusts spin again for positioning and then once again, has to readjust the aim, so he doesn't miss the pot. 

^A normal player can do this things too, because sometimes he might change his mind about how he wants to play a ball in the middle of applying aim and spin, but when a player does these non-stop repeated readjustments, and on top of that, does them fast and somehow pots 99% of his balls, even the trickiest ones... well,  then there's clearly  something wrong there. 

And you might say - Well, how do these players miss shots then? Why don't they do century breaks in every game? 

They have to be really stupid to expose themselves like that, are they? Of course they're not going to make it obvious. Also, you know very well that aiming assistance (at least the one in practice) is not always 100% accurate - it also depends on the power of the shot, the difficulty of the shot, and the amount of spin applied... so shots are missable even with aim assistance, but still that doesn't change the fact that 99% of them will go in.

The sign of such cheating are especially obvious in snooker on the large table, where even the smallest inaccuracy in the aiming and the spin can result in a missed shot. Yet there are players, who doesn't even take the time to look at the ball's position relative to the pocket, then do all that unnatural aiming and fixing mentioned above, and yet, almost never miss a shot. What are they? What do we have here, a bunch of O'Sullivans and Trumps? I don't think so!

And please don't bring the word "talent" in an online computer game... If you're an actual talent, you'd be competing professionally, in the real sport, you wouldn't be hanging out here in flyordie, trying to defend cheaters. 
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Billiardatron
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What happened to this place?
I'm getting tired of arguing with you, because you clearly refuse to even try and understand my point of view, before spilling your nonsense. 

An example of that is this gem:

"But it doesn't take more than 5sec to google that there are pool sites out there that has millions of players.

I like the fact you made the (), after you said that you are 100% sure that no pool fan want to play the more childish pool games, with pointers and helpers. So tell me, why is there millions playing on other sites, and not here? if THIS is the place to be(which it is), for real fans, <you can now tell me that the million of players aren't "real" pool fans, because of your (), so gj>. I will tell you why, once again. It isn't because this place is That unknown. 
Sure, to an extend it is..."


Is it unknown or not, which is it? Start making sense!

I never said there are no players out there, they're just not here, and i stated that the reason for it is PROBABLY (not certainly) because of FOD being not very popular website. Why don't you perform an experiment and google "Online Billiard" or "Online Pool" and tell us how buried FOD is beneath the rest? It comes out in 12th place when i google Online Billiard and 11th when i google Online Pool, that means in the second page in both searches. Yet you're still convinced that the millions of pool players that are registered on the "childish" websites are there because they don't feel like playing realistic pool, of which they're supposedly fans of? Are you serious? It's too hard for them, is that it? Did you personally ask every single one of them? I don't think so.

I'm done replying to your nonsense.
@Wanted You Know, thanks man! I agree, old time will never return.

@clubaid, you say "wall of text" twice, like it's a bad thing, but then you reply with a wall of text of your own. :) I guess you haven't been around many forums, but generally, forums exist for discussion purposes. Do you prefer the thousands of 1 sentence-zero substance topics that already exist, complaining about things without giving any reasoning for it? 

That being said, i respect the fact that you put the effort to reply with a good post, even though i don't agree with most of it.

The simplicity and challenge of an online pool game are two completely different things. I said FOD is challenging, but it's not complex at all, it's very simple learn how to play, the hard thing is to improve your game faster than the average person.

I'm 100% sure that there's no pool fan, (and by fan i mean person who loves playing real life pool), who would prefer play one of those boring childish pool games with helpers and pointers over FOD. That's just not happening! FOD is as close to real pool on PC as possible, there's nothing else like it out there. Show it to any pool enthusiast and they'll be hooked... especially during the pandemic. And speaking of the pandemic... that's the other thing that scares me. If the state of FOOD pool is so tragic now, during the pandemic, i don't want to think about how bad it'll get when things get back to normal.

I'm myself am not a big chatter in FOD games. I prefer quite a chat during games, buck in the day Sayin Hi and GG at the start and end of a game was like a standard thing, that why now i find it a bit rude when you say "hi gl" followed by no response. Don't you think? Every FOD know what those words mean, even non-english speakers.

I never said it's my business why people with 10k games play terribly. I just expressed my disappointment that FOD has a large percent of such players, as before they were still a lot (even more than now) and yet, they were a minority because there were so much better and cooler players than them, who treated the game and the opponent with respect. That's all... If someone wants to be a noob and never learn a thing, even after 20k games, be my guest... I'm still gonna wonder and questing this person's  brains and sanity though, because what i'm allowed to think about such players and how they affect the quality of FOD is still MY business!

I agree with you, when someone achieves a new personal record in rating it's perfectly normal to take a break and sit on it for awhile... but NOT in the room posing in front of everybody and just taking space. That's a load of bull... you ain't going to impress anyone by doing that, you're just going to come of as an idiot, who is scared of playing an losing some points with ZERO value. No it's not a sport, it's just an online game... but it's a competitive one, so being scared of playing and just posing there taking space that can be filled with someone with more balls, is not going to make people admire you for your 300 rating, you'll just come of as pathetic. And let me get this straight, i don't mind when someone takes a break for like 10-20 minutes... i'm having problems with people who pose there for hours without playing. Today there's not many players so room #1 in 8-Ball is the only one that is full, so having people sitting there and wasting the space, preventing you from entering, can be annoying.
Hi there, returning player here. I've been playing FOD on and off since 2004, now returning after 8 years (i think). Had to register again, because i couldn't log in with my old account, due to forgotten password.

The reason i'm making this topic is that I'm shocked at the sorry state of the Billiard games now, mainly 8 Ball and 9 Ball, as i was never a big fan of the other games...

First of all, where are all the players? I get it, a lot of them probably grew out of FOD... some, like me, might be taking a long break from the site, but back in the day i remember seeing 7-8 full rooms in 8 Ball. Now we can barely fill one room, and 60 percent of the players are ALWAYS in brb state. And all the guests, god, i've never seen so much guests in the first room ever... i guess that's because now there's always free places in room #1 for them to enter.

I don't understand this... Some people will grow out of the game, sure, but shouldn't there be new blood taking their place?  Last time i checked billiard games still have millions of fans around the world, and FOD is the best place for online play...  In fact, i sometimes find it more entertaining than playing real life pool. The simulation is great, even though it's not 100% realistic it's still the best out there. You won't find other games like that on the internet, the other all have stupid aiming assistance and overall unrealistic gameplay. So why can't we bring more players here? Are they finding it too challenging? Or maybe FOD is buried deep under in the web and no one (outside us, the old timers) even know it exists? 

Sadly, the dying popularity of the FOD billiards is not my only problem with the current state of the games... it's the current player base too. Now, don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, i see a lot of good old familiar faces still hanging around. The bad thing is, the rude and toxic players, who were once a minority on this site, are now the majority, which could be another factor for the shrinking player count. That problem is mainly noticeable among the lower ranked players (from 0 to 350 points) which is where i'm normally hanging too. 

No one has the decency to say a simple "Hi" or " Good luck", everyone runs and scares after winning the first game, even though there's no one else to play with. 
I would at least understand the runners back in the day, who want quick boost in ranking, but nowadays, there's no one to play with.. why run? There's like 30 players in 9 Ball, half of them are in brb mode, and still everyone runs. 
When they lose, they insult or complain. One guy accused me of cheating and he even reported me, or at least he said it did... i don't know, if a moderator reads this, please, let me know if i'm reported. When i asked  the guy, how i cheated? He said his english wasn't good enough to explained it, yet he was crying in shared chat, accusing me in front of everyone of cheating, even to i had like 90 rating at the time and a bunch of loses already. Then i checked my accusers stats, only see a guy registered 8 years ago with 6k games, but still playing like a total newbie, just smashing balls without any logical thought, not giving any effort to the game, but still getting angry when someone make good shots and positioning... This is the sort of players, i've been dealing with. 
The amount of stupidity among the current players is just laughable. There are so much players who don't even try, just smash the balls and hope, and that's even common with players with 150 rating and above. I see players with 10 thousand games behind their back, playing like it's their first day on the site, just smashing and fluking balls... how could they possibly find any joy in such a style of play after 10k games is beyond me. 

Another thing that bugs me, is how many players are just posers. They achieve some rating, it could be any rating from 100 to 700, and just stand there and pose, but never play anyone for hours, because i don't know, maybe getting 250 rating in an online game is the greatest achievement in their lives... who knows? It's either this or just spam the chat, with other players, like they're on sky or facebook.

And also, for some reason, everyone seem to get salty and starts throwing insults whe you move the ball in hand from an opponents fouls. What? Since when did that became such a taboo? But i get it, there's a bunch of noobs, who want to mash and fluke balls, but in case they pot the cue ball, they want no consequences for it, that's why they demand games to be played with no cue ball moving... Well, guess what? That doesn't fly by me. The rules are the rules, deal with  it!

I got so tired of all the dumb, angry, rude noobs, and the rest of the stupid stuff that happens, that i just started muting everyone i played with. I'd rather have a quite game that i can enjoy the best i can, than having to deal with all of this. Also, when i play fair players, i will always give them rematches, but i will always run on or completely ignore runners from now on. Someone need to teach these kids a lesson. 

So i guess now i'm part of the problem, but i just can't help it. Sorry if you play me and i don't respond in the chat. It's just how it is, the chat does not exist for me anymore, i just want to play the game. If you're a fair player, i'll be fair to you, but the chat will remain muted.

I know what some of you might say... the old the tired "Get good, play better players". Well, i reached 650 rating in 8 Ball, 10 years ago. I'm not nearly as good these days but still capable of getting 350-400 rating. But here's my point, rating and skill shouldn't matter here, yet it does. It's the player base that needs fixing, because it is in ruins now. 

So please tell me, am i the only one who feels this way abut the current state of FOD Billiards? 

PS: Sorry for my bad english.
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